another point people do not post, is as the other forums, they are always right and never open to new ideas, when you suggest a new idea, they do not like it and they tends to get a bit uptight on the subject, it makes it hard for newbies as well, when they have had the bad experience with other forums, they are very worried about asking the same questions, as they might been asked already, with the other forums, when they have a group meeting, they tend not to help any new members and make them feel very unwelcome, but they still expect them to join the club and pay there fee, at least here you do not need to pay a fee ( as of Yet ) to become a member, as this site gets bigger, i suppose there might be a joining fee, ( lets see what happens )